engine starter not working?

These engines are known for coolant leaks, but you may have a battery/charging system issue as well. You can start with a general visual inspection for coolant leaks especially at the rear of the cylinder head and also the battery terminals as they are known to corrode quite fast. After inspection the codes will need to be retrieved with a scanner in order to perform necessary pinpoint tests to verify the system and component/s causing your issue. I included an illustrated diagram for you of the known problem areas.

This guide can help as well

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Check out the diagrams (Below). Please let us know what happens.

when I turn the key on all the lights are very bright until I try to start it just clicks an the lights go dim.

Make sure the battery has a full charge and battery connections are all good.

When turning key but there is a constant clicking sound from under the dash thought battery bad but changed it out, believe it may be a security issue don,t hear the door chimes either also on the dash is a lock that is locked, don,t know if this is right till it starts or not, have not had the car just a few months

did you try another key?? it has a chip inside the key.

Roy

only have one key for it thanks Tom

i think the clicking is from some of the relays that are energized under the dash.
anyway, it may be a starter motor failure. you need some help from a shop to confirm.
did you get any warranty with this purchase??

Roy

Hi...my car wont start.....i used it last on monday and parked it outside for five days. Today being saturday, i tried to start it to no avail...wat do i do...i bought this car only in september dis year. Pls help.

is the battery dead?? how about some more info???

Roy

Yes i think its dead.
Its not starting and the battery light is on on the dash board...i am new with cars and dont know wat to do. the car has worked fine since....i have just been ill n couldnt go out to warm it since monday. Could the engine be knocked or wat? Wat do i do now. Pls help.

Pls wat do i do if my battery is dead. I parked my car outside n didnt start it for five days..
Pls help.
Cheers

Everything works in the car, all light are in good order, the only problem is when i turn the key to start position, nothing happen, no crank no start. Once an a while after 7 to 10 times might start. I have a new key and i tried it and it also failed. The only time it start every time is when i push the key unit inward and turn the key at the same time to start position, it start no problem. My question is, what is happening (or creating) when i push the key unit head in that make the car to start? Am i improving grounding by pushing the key inward? If so how can it be fixed? Thanks in advance Vince.

Hello,

This happens when the ignition switch is ou. here is how you can change it out in the diagrams below. This guide can help as well:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what happens.

Vehicle listed above is the limited model 3.0 engine. intermittent no start or crank, it will start fine then after a fifteen or twenty minute drive if I shut it off I usually have to wait twenty minutes or so for it to start but not every time? I have replaced everything that others have suggested from ignition switch to relay, I even had a remote start installed and still have the problem. it runs and drives great once it starts. about to the end of my rope with it so any ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Welcome to 2CarPros.

What you are describing sounds like a bad crankshaft position sensor. When they start going bad, they are affected by heat. Take a look through these three links. The first describes what the sensor does. The second discusses symptoms and the third discusses in general how one is replaced. Now, when I suspect a bad sensor (which may or may not set the check engine light to come on) I use a live data scanner. If the sensor fails, you will lose the engine RPM signal to the scanner.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-crank-shaft-angle-sensor-works

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-a-bad-crankshaft-sensor

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/crankshaft-angle-sensor-replacement

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You can also check the sensor for resistance. Here is how it's done. Additionally, here are a couple links to help you check the resistance:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

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CKP SENSOR RESISTANCE


- Ignition OFF.

- Measure the resistance between:

Pic 1


Is the resistance between 0.25K - 1K ohms? If not, replace the sensor.

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If you find this is the problem, here are the directions specific to your vehicle for replacement.

REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT
CRANKSHAFT POSITION (CKP) SENSOR



Pic 2



Removal and Installation
1. With the vehicle in NEUTRAL, position it on a hoist.
2. Remove the 5 bolts and the RH splash shield.
- To install, tighten to 9 Nm (80 lb-in).



pic 3



3. Disconnect the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor electrical connector.
4. Remove the bolt and the CKP.
- To install, tighten to 10 Nm (89 lb-in).
- Inspect the O-ring seal and install new as necessary.

5. NOTE: Lubricate the CKP O-ring seal with clean engine oil.

To install, reverse the removal procedure.


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I hope this is helpful. Let me know if you have additional questions or need help.

Take care,
Joe

Hey thank you Joe, I'm replacing the sensor right now, I was going to check it, but it does not fail until it's hot or whenever it wants, lol. I will drive it after I install and see if it helps. I will let you know a little later. thanks again

Welcome back:

Well, I hope you are driving and it still hasn't stalled. Let me know.

Joe

It never does stall, just will not start or crank, when you turn the key all lights come on as normal but that's it, and I misunderstood what you were telling me to change and I changed the camshaft position sensor, lol. so I also changed the crankshaft sensor as well. I'm going to drive it tomorrow and see if it changes anything. i will keep you informed. thanks again

Well that didn't work. what's the chance it could be the PCM? I wish it would just throw a code so I would know for sure what it is.

PATS led flashing.

Welcome to 2CarPros.

Does the starter engage? Also, if it does but the vehicle fails to start, a weak battery can cause either fuel or ignition to fail. Have you tried a different key?

There is a relearn process to reprogram the PATS system, but it requires special tooling to do.

Let me know what you have tried so far.

Joe

Welcome back:

Okay, I may have misunderstood you, too. When you try to start it and it won't start, does the starter engage and turn the engine?

If that is the case, the starter doesn't engage but everything else turns on, take a look through these links and check the starter itself, the starter relay (under hood fuse /relay box) and check to make sure there isn't excessive corrosion on the battery terminals or a loose one.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-cranks-but-wont-start

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/everything-goes-dead-when-engine-is-cranked

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

Also, here are a few links to help when checking for power to the starter and the relay.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

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Check these things and let me know what you find, or if I misunderstood, let me know.

Take care,
Joe

The problem occurred after deleting all the keys.

I have programmed two keys.
we used abdites avdi, zedfull, tcode, vcmm dealer.
the device shows that the keys are programmed but PATS on dash flashing.
I have P1260 error on TCM.
thank you

Battery and terminals are new I have already replaced the starter relay. I have not yet replaced the starter, I was not sure if it would act up, most of the time mine has just went out, but back to what happens when I turn the key or remote start, all the lights work on the dash, headlights work, nothing ever dims , no clicking sound there is just nothing, then I wait 15 minutes more or less and turn the key and it will start, never any codes or nothing, it really confuses me, lol and I really do appreciate you taking your time and trying to help me figure this out.

Welcome back:

The code you have indicates there is either a power or ground issue at the PCM (see Pic 1). Have you disconnected the connection to check for corrosion or a damaged pin?

If you want to check the starter, here is a link that shows how. You need to check if there is power to smaller wire on the starter.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Let me know.

Joe

When my key programming device erased all key eeprom from dash corrupted.

Welcome back:

What do you feel actually corupted? Is it the PCM?

No PCM.
eeprom from instrument cluster is corrupted.

Welcome back:

I have to be honest, I don't know if that is repairable.

I solved the problem!
programmed new file in eeprom + programmed two keys.
initialized modules.
the car is working again.

Welcome back:

Your the man! I didn't even think it was possible if there was corruption. Regardless, today you are the teacher and not me. I'm glad you got it fixed and let me know. I'm sure others will benefit from your experience.

Take care,
Joe

was driving on the hwy and my truck just stopped working. it made a sound and klunked a bit then i couldnt accelerate...i pulled over to the side and turned the car off. when i tried to turn it back on nothing happened. it didnt try to turn over but the radio was still working...turned off the radio and waited a bit tried again and nothing...please help i am a singel mom working as a courier and need to have this fixed asap but dont want to get skrewd on the $...any idea what could be the issue...it is at the shop now...2007 ford escape

Can you describe the noise you heard? Will the engine crank if jumped? Have you checked the oil to make sure it is full and clean?

This guide should help us

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Please run down this guide and report back.

I had this issue had to get a new starter cost me $134.00 all fixed up

When you try to start it the starter does engage and will turn the motor about a quarter of a turn and then nothing. The starter will continue to spin but not turn the motor.

CHICKEN OR THE EGG?

I THINK YOU HAVE ONE OF FOUR POSSIBLE ISSUES

1) STARTING OUT WITH THE MOST TERRIBLE, YOU MAY HAVE AN ENGINE PROBLEM, AN EXAMPLE IS: HEAD GASKET HAS LEAKED RADIATOR JUICE INTO A CYLINDER(S) SINCE WATER CANNOT BE COMPRESSED, THE ENGINE STOPS TURNING

2) NEXT TERRIBLE, YOUR STARTER MAY BE SHOT. HOLD OFF ON IT, TILL YOU TRY "3" AND "4" FIRST. YOUR STARTER CAN BE REMOVED AND BE "BENCH TESTED" AT AN AUTO PARTS STORE

3) 3 & 4 ARE ABOUT EQUAL, HOWEVER "3" MAY STILL COST SOME $$$, REMOVE THE BATTERY AND TAKE IT TO A POPULAR AUTO PARTS STORE. NORMALLY THEY WILL FULLY TEST IT FREE OF CHARGE, SOME PLACES WILL EVEN CHARGE IT FOR FREE, IF THATS WHAT IT NEEDS.

4) BEING THE LEAST EXPENSIVE (SMALL NOTHING KINDA PARTS COULD BE NECESSARY) MOST OF THE TIME THIS IS COMPLETELY FREE BUT WILL REQUIRE "SOME EFFORT" ON YOUR END. TO KEEP MY PECKING TO A MINIMUM, I HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN THIS AND INCLUDED A FEW PICS. PLEASE SEE "MY ANSWER" IN THIS LINK

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1996-chevrolet-tahoe-wont-start-sounds-dead-battery-jumpbox-get-same-reults

YOU CAN TRY EITHER 3 OR 4 FIRST. I SUGGEST "3" FIRST, THEN IF THE PROBLEM PERSISTS, "4" WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP

DEPENDING ON YOUR LOCATION, THIS NEXT LINK, (PICS AT THE BOTTOM TOO) MAY WORK WELL, OR YOU MIGHT TRY TO SORTA MIMIC THE WAY IT WORKS AT ANOTHER AUTO STORE (MANY PEOPLE OVERLOOK THESE MONEY SAVERS) SHOULD YOU NEED A BATTERY, STARTER, OR ANYTHING ELSE, THIS CAN BE DONE IN THE PARKING LOT ON YOUR WHIZZY PHONE, BEFORE YOU JUST SPUR OF THE MOMENT MAKE A PURCHASE!

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/2001-dodge-neon-milage-just-want-put-fliuds-their-locations

RETURN TO THIS THREAD WITH SOME GOOD NEWS!

THE MEDIC

Hi, sorry my English. I write you from Venezuela
I have Ford Escape 2007 automatic, motor 3.0 It have a problem to starting the engine.
When engine is cool, i try to starting, the level is in P, but the display show me that is in “D”. In this moment the engine don`t start.
With the ingnition key pass, I wait any minutes (10 to 20), all indicator turn on/off anytime. Finally the display show me P and the engine starting.
When the engine is hot, I don`t have problem to starting the engine.

Ford dealer could not diagnose a problem.

If you move the shifter to another position such as N will it start?

Hi, in that condition the shifter no responds when I move it. Thank.